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Seems that it isn't hackable at this time.
People really tried their best and couldn't hack it according to this link.
My point is, whether it has non-free stuff or not, privacy is in fact possible with this device.
Security also,
freedom? Still miles better than regular android.
I think the best distros that free/libre software activists should recommend which are also according to the guidelines of this website, are the distros that are compliant with the GNU Free System Distribution Guidelines (GNU FSDG), and they are listed at two pages:
* For the ones which have GNU: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
* For those which don't use GNU: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-non-gnu-distros.html
That said, for recommending to others, it seems better to tell them about Replicant or some other of these distros that can be run on a mobile phone or tablet.
Of course you can use whatever you want, and so can the other person, but the difference is to what you recommend or present indirectly to the people involved.
The only cases for which it is ever a good thing to use a non-free software is basically to help develop a free/libre substitute; install a non-free software in order to enable imediate replacement with a free/libre one, even if this one doesn't have all the features; or run non-free JavaScript of websites just to make reports to the owner requesting them to free/liberate these according to GNU LibreJS, all these cases and other explanations can be seen at https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/is-ever-good-use-nonfree-program.html .
Keep in mind though, while you can use whatever you want, I recommend you to always take steps to advance on the ladder towards the freedom of the software you are using.
The trouble for me comes when, say there is a computer with libreboot as bios including requiring a blob, but...
it has immense security protections built into the hardware and no network stack backdoors due to disablement and compare it to a canoeboot or gnuboot device that while it has no blobs has very weak or not so great protections built in.
The freedom crowd would likely say to pick the freedom device.
But I find this approach very peculiar, because if the protections your freedom device has are very weak, then your going to lose your freedom due to hacking likely pretty easily.
And given this, what freedom do you really have once you been hacked?
This is basically just a theory of mine I had pondered in the past but not really thought very often.
But it still raises truth in it.
The moment you get hacked because weak protections, your freedom goes into the toliet.
I do hope that never happens to any users of libre bioses or libreboot. But I wonder to myself if this couldn't end up being the future at some point.
semi unrelated but,
ironically, the people using "linux" as they call it which is really GNU/Linux-libre as people here refer to it has gained significant traction thanks to windows 11's failures and microsoft's overall stubbornness.
I mention this because they are obviously seeking freedom, but not as much as me or you guys.
They aren't ditching non-free wifi or stock bioses to the same extent as people like myself which I consider questionable.
Still getting people off of proprietary malware OSes is always a plus
I think it grew to like 6% on desktop linux. I recall seeing Zdnet say that they detected that much traffic on their website once from **linux** again paraphrasing.
**gnu/linux-libre
*when i say blobs i mean, what the FSF considers blobs btw
It depends on what you mean by "freedom." Software freedom and device security are related but separate. Somebody with a hacked phone still has the freedom to run, examine, modify, and distribute free software.
It depends on how much control the hacking leaves you with.
If its ransomware, you have lost 90% of your freedom. ;)
GrapheneOS has no freedom issues. Trust me.
As far as i am concerned, nothing problematic, but on here, Trisquel... any blob, even if it has no network stack is considered to be a freedom issue.
The FSF movement definitely has different priorities than me.
My priority is to block corporate surveillance on my stuff as much as possible and have strong security/privacy with usually minimal bloat on the system itself.
I guess my point remains, different people have different motives.
protesting surveillance is very often wise.
I would hate to see what Hitler would do with the current surveillance powers that some countries have.
Oh and if you don't trust a system if nothing else, don't put anything precious on it.
Some gnu/linux gamers are this way. I know i have been in past this way.
Whas it sent for review?
If not, please tell GrapheneOS to follow the instructions at https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html#NewDistro
Remember, since software is only understood by computers using a sequence of 0s and 1s, and we humans can only understand a thing similar to text, logic and math, then its best to consider any software or distro not reviewed as non-free too or not compliant with the GNU FSDG, in the case of distros.
> My point is, whether it has non-free stuff or not, privacy is in fact possible with this device.
"This device" referring to a modern Android phone (likely a Google Pixel), wouldn't be privacy friendly even if it was 100% Free Software and endorsed by the FSF.
Anything with a 4g/5g modem inside of it that can't be disabled is inherently privacy unfriendly. It can be tracked anywhere, and has direct access to internal system components. Traffic can also be intercepted by a Stingray device. The wireless functionality and bluetooth make it awful for privacy. Add on GPS, NFC, biometrics, and other privacy invasive hardware and it's a goner.
To the point you're trying to get across - if you must have a modern day phone that supports Android and 100% freedom isn't your end goal, then GrapheneOS would be an option for your *very limited* privacy. GrapheneOS still runs the actual Google Play libraries even if it is isolated. Something like iodeOS would be better for privacy due to this. Neither are any good as far as true privacy (or freedom) goes.
If you just want something that can be used as a portable communication device then LoRa seems to be the best for privacy at the moment. Doesn't rely on any existing network infrastructure and supports encrypted communications between capable devices. The biggest drawbacks are range and bandwidth limitation.
There's also traditional voice calls and SMS with SIP via a service such as https://jmp.chat/
Actually I don't have the google play libraries installed. So that's an incorrect assumption.
The only thing that's not privacy friendly that I have is the 4g/5g part.
So my privacy is way better than you think.
This being said, it definitely has freedom problems and I don't know if you saw the link I mentioned somewhere above, but this phone hasn't been hackable yet according to the link. Foresnics tried and failed.
So... yeah idk.
But freedom wise, as the FSF would say, yeah its definitely not 100% libre.
https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=hITzs7OMDnM
Btw, forgot to mention, you can install google play libraries from grapheneos. There is a way to do that. I have chosen not to. If I REALLY wanted to do that, aurora store is much less shitty. Although even that is meh...
>"Anything with a 4g/5g modem inside of it that [[can't be disabled]] is inherently privacy unfriendly."
Any smartphone-shaped device can be slipped into a faraday bag at any moment in time, at which point the modems become incapable of sending or receiving signals. So you can't say "can't be disabled" about any of them. If the user intends to disable it, it will be disabled.
I think the problem people here have with GrapheneOS is that it contains blobs, not anything to do with its security.
Of course, a blob-free smartphone isn't really practical - at least if you want certain basic functions like Wi-Fi (and of course the modem).
Some people here suggest not using any smartphone, but if you are unable to do that, then using GrapheneOS is sensible.
That is true, most people need 4G/5G and wifi otherwise the phone has lost most of its purpose.